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God of Killing · Feb 12, 2009, 02:12 AM // 02:12

So one incident years ago creates precedent? Then why isn't anyone who ever abused the faulty gate closings (click inside base while they close, run right through them) in gvg's banned? Or perhaps the Signet of Might (auto kill guild lord)? Or the Grenth's Balance (steal all lords health)? How about the Cyclone Axe exploit (lord dies the second he uses cyclone axe)? This is just a few of dozens of exploits that have occurred in the gvg scene, all of which effected ladder standing.

Based on precedent, it would be much easier to argue that anet only take action when QQ members are involved in the exploit/manipulation.

Shasgaliel · Feb 12, 2009, 09:48 AM // 09:48

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Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk

At the minimum the harder punishment than they gave Teamquitter, who did not succeed in cheating.

I don´t see how that is fair to Teamquitter or the community.

The fact that some don't get that on their second try, makes you wonder.

It is you who does not get the point even after numerous tries. Compare this: what is worse trying to kill someone but not succeeding or successfully stealing a candy? You see the difference now?

Anyway ANET has right and not obligation to impose the punishments. Some of them may seem unjust but we do not have all the info and we are hardly just ourselves. You all criticize their judgments but you are forgetting that you are also judging them without knowing all the facts...

Dami · Feb 12, 2009, 03:11 PM // 15:11

As i see it this proves how much of a spilt there is between pvp and pve. Guildwars has rules...you go to LA and spam something 20 times your likely to get a temp ban. You cheat at a tourney, you break a rule and what do you get? You get the wowy gold trim that look oh so good with my fancy armor gone for a month. A-net should of taken advantage of them and shown other guilds cheating isn't the way to go. What about the guilds denied a place because of those guilds decided on a draw? Those two guilds should of been taken off the ranks and worthy non cheating guilds who should of been in the top 16 given what is owning. A strong message to all. If you think its too harsh then fine...but if you lost your place because of cheating wouldn't you want something a bit more done?

DreamWind · Feb 12, 2009, 09:34 PM // 21:34

The more I think about this thread, the more amazed I am that everybody has just accepted this as cheating. Show me in the rules where it specifically says ID is cheating. To me this is still Anet coming out and saying it is cheating after it has already been done and everybody simply taking their word for it. Am I the only one crazy here? I play games with regularity that involve IDs as common practice and almost nobody complains. If your record wasn't good enough, your record wasn't good enough, and that is all.

But anyways...old topic.

DragonRogue · Feb 12, 2009, 10:03 PM // 22:03

For all those out there that think the draw wasnt cheating... Why doesnt everyone now just call a draw every game every time? Why bother to fight at all? They will still get their TPs and rake the rewards. Who cares about the cape trim? Hell, why dont we all make teams and draw to get in on the party too? Seems like then, who would need any talent at all? Rolling for HB only gets people a useless title. We can now roll for Tournaments and chances at 1000s of Zkeys to flood the economy instead.

The whole IDEA behind a Tournament is elimination to see who is better than the rest. Period! Defeats the whole purpose of doing it, reguardless if there are rules against draws or not.

And what a good point someone made earlier, 1000s of people are denied Zkeys because of an Anet mistake, where these two guilds who blatantly snubbed the system, remain to keep their ill-gotten gains. Yup, thats fair.

DreamWind · Feb 12, 2009, 11:19 PM // 23:19

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Originally Posted by DragonRogue

For all those out there that think the draw wasnt cheating... Why doesnt everyone now just call a draw every game every time? Why bother to fight at all?

Because some people play to win the tournament. Drawing every game is simply a game of chance and doesn't improve your chances of winning the whole thing. Both guilds were simply using optimal swiss tournament strategy if drawing was going to help them advance. I would much rather see a draw than "fake playing" by a guild who doesn't give a damn about the outcome.

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Originally Posted by DragonRogue

And what a good point someone made earlier, 1000s of people are denied Zkeys because of an Anet mistake, where these two guilds who blatantly snubbed the system, remain to keep their ill-gotten gains. Yup, thats fair.

Again...Anet never said it was cheating before or never had a system in place to prevent it. How is it the the players fault? This isn't even touching on how this is common in HB with no penalty and how this penalty was not in line with previous Anet decisions.

cataphract · Feb 13, 2009, 10:12 AM // 10:12

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Originally Posted by Nemesis of God

Are you serious?

Boycott ANET!

Seriously, this is most ridicolous I have ever heard.

What did you expect?

Back in the old days of GW people got banned for /ranking corpses of players. Couple of years later, they implement a new ranking emote and advertise it with "omg, you can now rank corpses of your fallen enemies".

I've had high expectations from them, but reality made me abbandon all hope.

Dami · Feb 13, 2009, 01:04 PM // 13:04

if it's not cheating.what is?
Both guilds decided to draw the match so each would get into top 16.A-net have said they broke rules.
I assume the Pvper 's think overwise.
Never mind i'm sure we're be having this conversation again next month

amber dawn · Feb 14, 2009, 06:18 AM // 06:18

been following this thread for some time now, just thought i would throw my 2 cents in.
is cheating wrong, i think so
did they cheat? well there are alot of different opinions like everyone i have mine.
I would like to think tho, that eveyone here that is upset about it, have in no way ever done anything to violate one of the rules no matter how minor in the game. imo a rule is a rule either you broke it or you didn't.
the fact they can change, modify the rules whenever they see fit says alot. I read the agreement when i bought the game, i may not like all of it, and yeah i get upset about alot of things. but hey i agreed to it so i could play. so i guess i shouldn't complain about something i agreed to.

SecretLove · Apr 22, 2009, 07:31 AM // 07:31

You guys have no clue what you're talking about, [rawr] doesnt deserve any punishment greater, for if they took away a gold cape, that would be violating there own terms.

Gold Capes are PERMANENT, meaning they can never be removed.

Also, I would say [rawr] can easily win it back, but now that there spike was nerfed they wont be able to.

SecretLove · Apr 22, 2009, 07:33 AM // 07:33

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Originally Posted by Dami

if it's not cheating.what is?
Both guilds decided to draw the match so each would get into top 16.A-net have said they broke rules.
I assume the Pvper 's think overwise.
Never mind i'm sure we're be having this conversation again next month

I'm sure you dont understand whatsoever anything about PvP or anything about rebel rising [rawr]
So dont post here.

Empress Amarox · Apr 22, 2009, 07:45 AM // 07:45

Holy thread necromancy, batman!

pumpkin pie · Apr 22, 2009, 07:53 AM // 07:53

I am thinking there should be a "draw" option in GvG. But the option must be selected at the beginning to every starts of a new torunaments. for instant, you can choose X numbers of guilds that if you come to a situation where you want a draw result, you may choose to do so.

but i don't think both team agreeing to come to a draw conclusion is cheating. I would think if they purpose lost and make another team win, would be a more serious scenario.

sync entering however, is a bigger cheat :P but thats anyther case. and

cataphract · Apr 22, 2009, 08:23 AM // 08:23

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Originally Posted by SecretLove

You guys have no clue what you're talking about, [rawr] doesnt deserve any punishment greater, for if they took away a gold cape, that would be violating there own terms.

Gold Capes are PERMANENT, meaning they can never be removed.

Also, I would say [rawr] can easily win it back, but now that there spike was nerfed they wont be able to.

At least we have a clue about grammar.